I like running the torch around 6-8 psi and adjust as needed. Measuring from 0-60 psi, it lets users control their heat with a precise level of accuracy An air choke valve is present on the top of burner which regulates the amount of air that is mixed with the propane during combustion. You can post now and register later. Also use a long round file to smooth and clean the interior of the burner tube, same for the jet tube prior to mounting it. A piece of cement board makes a good surface to set the forge on. Wait a minute for the flame to settle in and see if you still have a yellow flame. Obviously this has to be done in such a way as to not ignite the place. Once in the tube, the tube heats up and the flame speed gets even higher. It is also a good idea to cover the gas line with some flexible conduit. Please, videos are a LOT of bandwidth and some of Iforge's members are still on dial up connections in more remote parts of the world and it costs them money. Bear in mind that's JUST a guess. Insert a flat-blade screwdriver into the setscrew on the right side of the valve and twist counterclockwise to increase the gas-to-air ratio. And then show you a budget-friendly done for you burner with regulator that is cheaper than what you can buy the parts for! Clear editor. Instead of burning wood in a fireplace, some homeowners choose to install fireplace logs fueled by natural gas or propane. Proper operation of a propane stove, heater, lantern or other device includes regulation of the flame height and color to ensure nearly complete combustion. Look at them before sending and maybe make another video say in a dimly lit space or outdoors in the evening against a dark backdrop. The flame is over 2 inches long and probably closer to 2 1/2 inches. Make sure you check for gas leaks, and be aware that items … The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. Another thing for the to do list. Seriously it's so back lit so we can't tell what the burner's doing till it reaches about medium orange and not much then, seriously I have a better view of the trees through the forge than the flame. My friend and I converted an old natural gas fired brass melting furnace to a 3 burner propane forge and it won’t get hot enough for welding or even hot enough for thicker steel. Note the color and shape of the propane's flame. I get less time if I run it hotter. Used for everything from lighting an outdoor campsite to heating homes and industries, propane is a fuel that is also very safe when handled correctly. They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. Apply the match's flame to the fuel outlet. Hello everyone, I have no idea if I am in the correct forum for this or not because this is my first time, but I picked what I thought was closest. Did a sculpture/welding class there a few years before the center was officially established, then took a rustic folders class that my wife got me as a gift a little over a year ago. In addition, she writes a weekly column for her hometown newspaper, PhotoObjects.net/PhotoObjects.net/Getty Images. Mine seems to be to be way out of whack. Turn on the gas and ignite the burner. I split the angle and tightened down the set screws. Here I am adjusting the jet to shoot straight down the burner tube. Even with the occasional problems, I'm having blast learning this craft. Honestly, you do NOT absolutely need a regulator but, you will find it near impossible to control the flame with a ball valve. Excited to learn more about why it works (or occasionally doesn't). If the problem doesn't occur till 3:10 into the video why make us download and sit through 3 minutes of video for no discernible reason? Move the gas jet in and out (if possible with the burner you have), to get the smoothest flame. With complete combustion, an LPG (Propane) gas burns with a blue flame and burns at a temperature of around 1,980°C, as noted on the flame color temperature chart. Thank you Tim for that excellent summary. Try cleaning the jet of any waxy residue from the propane, it SOUNDS like it's running a little rich due to low jet velocity. Take a look at the latest page in Burners 101 to find a warning against using ceramic fiber to completely stop secondary air induction in some burners that need some of it to burn completely. The ORIGINAL HELLS FORGE BRAND ~ MADE IN THE USA! I've been doing this for around 6-7 months so my knowlege is pretty limited. Any thoughts on where I might be going wrong here? Perfect for Forged In Fire fans. Video of the Day Volume 0% https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing. Watch the flame as you add fiber, to be sure you don't go too far. My favorite burner is 1 1/4" pipe and it works best in a small forge. Casting vs. smithing with a gas forge Measure Your Pressure - The pressure gauge to determine and regulate your propane PSI. Ran for about 3 hours solid without any hiccups! They are usually found on the front of kitchen and camping stoves, on the top of propane heaters, and just below the glass mantles of propane lanterns. Display as a link instead, × Regarding the choke, honestly did not initially have/use a choke until these problems started. In order to build this forge burner, You will need a drill, a set of bits, and a couple of files. If the flame is too yellow the air shutter probably needs to be opened more. Routine Inspection It’s vital for your safety that you routinely inspect your forge. You need to adjust your fuel/oxy ratio to make the flame hotter and it wil be closer to the tip, maybe a 1/4" of blue would be correct. I've figured out the how for constructing the forge and burner. The choke gives you control over the primary air and it's usually best to have all primary air to give maximum control. Adjusting the mixture (by moving the choke) can reduce the flame speed (both the flame temperature and the flame speed are highest at, or close to, the stoichiometric mixture), but this will also reduce the flame temperature. Turn the setscrew clockwise to reduce air flow mixing with gas. Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. Paste as plain text instead, × It's true acet is quicker, but used properly propane isn't much slower. × Appliance411: FAQ: What should my gas range's flame look like? Hopefully over time I'll be able to contribute a thing or two. Propane gas is a cheap, clean and efficient cooking and heating fuel. But if the burner is out of adjustment, the gas flame will be yellow. Nothing stops use from using some fiber part way around the burner to reducer excess secondary air induction, but don't over do it. You might have received more suggestions/views, if this was posted in the gas forges section. To adjust the air gas mixture : 1. Tighten the screw and relight the grill. However, with a bit of adjustments and the right airflow, it can be possibly to reach higher temperatures if necessary. I have recently built a 3 burner propane forge 8X12X24 long and I am having a bit of a problem. I had about a 20 degree angle from where it was obvious the gas was hitting the side of the burner tube on the top to where it was hitting on the bottom. The pilot light on my propane gas logs seems very long to me and as a result I suspect it's wasteful too. The best I can do at this point is guess judging by the sound. All is fine because the mixture is moving along the tube faster than the flamefront can burn through the mixture towards the burner. I've browsed parts of the forum via google search results (mostly on forge construction, and trying to comprehend the basics of combustion) but I have not really done a deep dive yet. Once you get a proper regulator, you can dial down on that flame and save you arm hair. Gas burners burn blue if the ratio of fuel to air is correct. To adjust the flame, … Step 1. Pete Resseguie-Snyder, A … If using a built-in spark ignitor incorporated into a kitchen stove, a house furnace, certain outdoor cooking grills, or a portable heater, the propane should ignite automatically. The blacksmith’s forge is an essential component of the blacksmithing trade, and could even be considered the very heart of the metal working process. Needs More Air. The problem starts 3 mins, 10 secs in: I built this based mostly on the David Hammer Super C Forge and burner design (minus the side access slot). Welcome aboard Pete, glad to have you. If you drop hot steel on a rubber propane hose, you will not like it all! As things get hotter, the speed that the flamefront burns through the mixture becomes faster. The way my forge is set up, there is a 4" x 6" slot cut level with the deck inside the forge. Great instructors all around there. What was the purpose of closing and opening the choke? Finally, capping off our list is this double … Please make videos worth the time and yes, money. Opening the choke re-establishes a fuel/air mixture and this reaches the hot chamber where it ignites and the flamefront travels back into the burner tube. There is actually a lot more going on in a gas forge than most smiths realize.   Your previous content has been restored. Yeah, Arc and Flame is a priceless resource. The materials in the forges, mainly the refractory cement is typically rated for 3,000°F for a bit of wiggle room. Click to see full answer LPG blue flame colour burns 20°C higher than a natural gas blue flame colour. Looks like an amazing concentration of knowledge here. If you have a 1/2" of blue flame, that's way too much. You Gas grill burners will have some sort of air adjustment at the end of the burner where the burner meets the valve orifice. I did plug the burner port more effectively than before. The flame for this torch is around 6-10 inches long. If the flame is noisy and appears to be floating off the burner the air shutter should be adjusted for less air flow. Turning up the gas pressure once the forge starts heating up will increase the mixture speed down the burner tube and (hopefully) will keep it above the flamefront speed with a hot forge. valve on your propane tank and light. Thanks again for sharing more detail. With the grill off and cool, loosen the screw and rotate the adjustment sleeve. Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. It’s about 18 inches deep and maybe 10 inches high inside. Propane lantern or appliance with adjustment knob. Not familiar with NYSDB just yet. This was using the blower at full out speed and adjusting the volume of propane for the best flame. The same goes for the power cord to the blower. The precise location of this control varies by manufacturer. Propane Forge Double Burner is pre-tuned to develop a natural flame and nozzle is designed to increase the burner efficiency. The best flame is achieved in the same manner as adjusting an acetylene torch. My first experience with the forge was not very satisfying. Hells Forge Propane Gas Double Single and MAX Burner Units for Blacksmithing, Bladesmithing, Knifemaking, Farrier Forge Tools, Large size provides max workspace. I'll be sure to close the garage door if I ever decide to troubleshoot in the future. Light a wooden kitchen match or a spark ignitor. Don't know if I need to tune the burner, if there are issues with my refractory, or something else that I might not have considered. The mild steel I was heating barely got beyond an orange heat, not the yellow I am used to forging at. The forge is small enough that I can run the burner at under 5 psi and keep the interior at a good working temperature.However, this burner design does work well in larger forges, many large forges even use multiple burners. Not sure what changed over time since the forge remains fairly immobile. If you should notice that you have no flame, a yellow flame or burner blows out, you will probably need to adjust the air mixture. By Turn off gas to the appliance according to the manufacturer's directions. I use a ball valve to adjust the air and like it. I let it cool for about 15 mins to capture the transition. I'd try to eliminate any gaps between the burner and the forge as far as possible: any air getting in there (secondary air) is air you have no control over. × Using silica sand in a propane fireplace can limit the amount of propane that rises to the surface and decrease the size of the flames. I did a complete teardown of my burner, cleaned everything and retuned it, moving the flair tube forward a little more than 1/4 inch further than before. Turn on the propane stove, grill, furnace, heater or lantern using the appliance's fuel knob or flame adjuster control. And maybe consider applying a bit more production value. Turn on the propane and light with a bbq lighter. Anyway, thanks again for the assistance! Ah, thanks for the tip. More complex appliances, such as propane kitchen stoves and furnaces, have electronic ignition devices requiring no input from a user. Don't know if it tells a story, but cutting off the oxygen then cranking it back on kind of "reset" proper combustion, at least some of the time until the forge got really hot.   Pasted as rich text. Ask a friend to describe the flame color and intensity in your Heat-n-Glo fireplace to help with your adjustments. Did you watch the video before posting it here? I would use 5 to 10 # propane and 20 to 30 # oxy to cut 1/4" material. Thank you for any input you might have. If you wanted a smaller or larger flame … Simond Store Double Burner Oval Knife Making Gas Forge. Closing the choke starves the flame of Oxygen and the flame goes out. I've read quite a bit about forge assembly, but might need to read more about forge maintenance. Before shooting the video, I has run for a little over 30 mins. What makes a propane torch burn hotter?   You cannot paste images directly. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Thanks for the welcome, the feedback and thanks for giving it a go with my crap video. Be sure the flare, or straight nozzle, is adjusted correctly in conformance with the tuning instructions. Adjust gas pressure to get a steady flame.Open the choke plate about 3/4 the way. I also aimed the burner a little more towards the floor of the forge in case it was catching the refractory lining the burner port. Coleman Canada: Propane Stove: Instructions for Use: Lighting, p 6. Upload or insert images from URL. Is it? A yellow flame can be the cause of a bad air to gas ratio. It's working great (as far as I can tell) now after some adjustments. Since then, Kerr has contributed content to military-related magazines, not-for-profit websites and other online media. A flame containing too much yellow indicates incomplete combustion that wastes fuel and presents a carbon monoxide hazard. Once lit, controlling the ambiance and amount of heat produced is a matter of adjusting the flame of the fireplace gas logs. You don't read by putting the light on the far side do you? Not having enough experience to know what info's valuable and not, I just posted what I shot, hoping maybe the before/after with the sound would be telling. Learn More December 9, 2018 in Gas Forges. The burner port leaves about 1/4 inch of space around burner flair. A classic solid fuel forge, making use of coal and air flow to provide sufficient heat for the forging of metal. I did watch before and after and it seemed pretty visible on my tablet, but I'm a total noob when it comes to making and editing video content. I cover it up with a fire brick when not in use. Some thoughts on using the LPG (propane) forge, is it not meant to be a definitive guide and it is to be used at your own risk. I'm back in business for now. The major portion of the flame should be an electric blue color with only a hint of yellow or orange at its tip. Let’s get to it! Make sure that the area around the forge is free of combustible materials. You may be onto something with jet velocity and cleaning. See the flame color temperature chart below. If you don't know about them already, you have some additional other great resources here in Rochester:  the NYSDB group (http://www.nysdb.org/) and Arc and Flame (https://www.rocafc.com/pages/blacksmithing). I shot a quick video demonstrating the issue. Will research, thank you. If ignition does not occur in 5 seconds, turn the propane off, wait 5 minutes, and repeat the lighting process. The ANVIL High Performance Burner is designed with a fixed pressure regulator and fixed air damper. Remove any constricting rim or rough projections in the throat with a round file. If I use it in my larger forge its a lot more finicky to adjust. If you do, repeat the process until the yellow is almost eliminated. Then you get to the 10 seconds that count and you start moving the camera around wildly so we can't see what's happening. Use the fuel control knob to either raise or lower the height of the flame and to ensure it remains the correct color. In the case of propane kitchen ranges and house furnaces, adjustment of the flame should be performed by an appliance professional only. I wanted to see if the experts on this forum might catch any red flags that may be causing combustion issues with my forge. A gas flame should be about 1″ to 1.5″ long and should be blue with a white/yellow tip. Along with hacking a propane torch to get more BTU’s, I’ll also show how to build a DIY forge burner with parts easily found on Amazon or at a hardware store.   Your link has been automatically embedded. Been spending my few spare hours after work trying to figure out technique but I'll be soaking in some time getting to know the forums. That last class was the catalyst into blacksmithing. Coleman: Troubleshooting Coleman stove that lights with a large yellow flame, Texsport: Instructions: Mantle Propane Lantern, Propane 101: LP Gas Furnace Installation, Service, and Repair. Most propane gas forges operate between 2,300°F and 2,700°F. This forum is an invaluable well of knowledge. For example, turn off a Williams Blue Flame Unvented Gas Heater by pushing in the appliance's gas control knob lightly and turning it clockwise to the "Off" position. It's not that easy to tell with the camera moving about and stuff, but what I think is happening is this: You start with a cold forge and a certain mixture speed through the burner tube. Control The Flame - It allows you to adjust the pressure to control the flame intensity and turn your grill, turkey fryer, or other appliance up to any temperature. Used some kaowool for that which I'm a little concerned with; I know it shouldn't get hot enough there to breakdown, but still... Maybe some rigidizer wouldn't hurt? HellCote 3000 refractory cement and firebricks included with all models. I have seen the pilot on lots of other gas log sets and they're usually around 1/2 inch to maybe 1 inch. I cant keep a flame on mine unless its in the forge, it seems to need the backpressure from the forge to keep the flame in control. Susan Kerr began her writing career as a food columnist in 1987 before moving to business journalism as a reporter and managing editor in the Penn State area. It has been running stable for months, but now after running for around 30 mins, the point of combustion shifts from the interior of the forge, to the end of the flair (about 1 inch inside the refractory). The furnace has the heavy type fire brick lining it’s interior. At about 3 min 10 sec, the flame speed became faster than the mixture speed and the flame travelled back into the burner tube. I do sincerely appreciate it. It serves as additional exhaust and as a place a long workpiece can fit through.